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31st January, 2000
I ran out of time yesterday, but here's the final e-mail...
E-mail - Han van Eijden from The Netherlands writes ...
I hit your brilliant site (Thanks, Han - Bob) when I found it at Footie51. Do you still want an update of all the Feijenoord players you mention in their dedicated section? If so, tell me what the format should be and I'll see what I can do for you.
Yes please !!!
Han continues ... Trivia: Feyenoord is originally spelled as Feijenoord from the part of Rotterdam they originate from. They slightly changed their name in the wake of their international endeavours, presuming it would be easier for foreigners to pronounce......(although it sounds exactly the same in Dutch...)
To celebrate this news, click to see a picture of Feyenoord / Feijenoord winning the European Cup in 1970.
30th January, 2000
Well, the site has had a bit of a mid-Winter break due to me plying my trade in a far off Continent known as the 'Real World', but Cyberspace has kept in touch with the following e-mails.
E-mail (1) Jim Ross our US Correspondent send the following information ...
'I have a couple updates for you. First in the "Brothers" section, Clive Charles (West Ham United) is now the U.S. national U-21 coach. He seems to be moving up over here. In the "Where are they now" section, Mick Mahoney (Bristol City), who made 108 app. in goal for Newcastle Utd.(1975-78) is living and playing "Old Fart" footy in Southern California with a team called "The Widebodies". He no longer plays in goal, but as a centre back. '
Cheers for that Jim, next off, as Jim puts it himself ... 'Now the good stuff.
There is a Englishman making the coaching camp and speaking at "Soccer Fund Dinners" as ex Man City "great" Dennis Tueart (Sunderland).The guy some what looks like Mr.Tueart, BUT when asked hard questions by a "Bloody Shiite Asshole Scot"( me) he ran from the dinner and drove off ! He was a great speaker,but something was wrong, I knew the real Dennis was in Manchester and on the board at City, this Shiite didn't even know that ! He also runs training camps in Northern Calif. I asked him to tell us all about the great Scottish player David Law who played for both City & United.He didn't even catch the David not Dennis Law (ManU squad) mistake, so I went for the throat. It was funny, the team offered everyone their money back, but few took them up on it. There is a lot of this going on here, Americans are soon hooked up on accents that they fall for anything.'
... sounds like there's an opportunity for me there !
In the meantime Bob's 70-71 pages does have a picture of when Jim really did meet Dennis Tueart - Click to see.
E-mail (2) Paul Owens a self-confessed Spurs fan writes :-
Well done Bob.Your site makes a refreshing change from all the news feed sites out there (TA!-Bob), can you please include a picture of big Ron in the Second Division gallery, I think it might have appeared in the annual you feature as a background image on your site.
E-mail (4) Ian Corry writes :-Nice work on all the old stuff .(Thanks !- Bob)I believe Roger Hunt was still with Liverpool in '66 and Ray Wilson with Huddersfield.
I'm not sure if maybe you are referring to the World Cup '66 Winners pictures here. Of course, you're absolutely right, the clubs I use with the pictures are the 1970-71 teams, not their 1966 teams.
19 January, 2000
News (1) : 20th Century Boy
PELE (Star Players of Mexico '70) has been voted Player Of The 20th Century ahead of Dutch star Johan Cruyff and inspirational German Franz Beckenbauer (Star Players of Mexico '70). A poll conducted by the International Federation of Football History and Statistics awarded Brazilian legend Pele 1,705 points, while Cruyff polled 1,303 and Beckenbauer 1,228.Alfredo di Stefano took fourth place followed by Diego Maradona, Ferenc Puskas, Michel Platini, Garrincha, Eusebio and Bobby Charlton (Manchester United).
Lev Yashin, the late Russian giant, was voted top goalkeeper of the century, followed by Gordon Banks of England and Dino Zoff of Italy. Jose Luis Chilavert of Paraguay and Peter Schmeichel of Denmark were the only two players still playing to make it onto either list.
News (2) : The Groover ... /or (for Yorkshire readers...)Wallace Arnold Awards 1999
The International Federation of Football History and Statistics also made the top club coach of 1999 Manchester United's Alex Ferguson (Falkirk).
News (3) : Solid Gold Easy Action
This recent Football365 article shows either a) resentment that thinks have improved since his day, or 2) what we all know, that when shop-floor workers move into management, their attitudes change ...
'Alan Mullery (Tottenham Hotspur) has told (Spurs) they are right not to be held to ransom over wage demands by the likes of Darren Anderton and Steffen Iversen. England winger Anderton is in dispute with Spurs over a new contract and has reportedly turned down an offer of £24,000 a week. Norwegian striker Iversen is the latest player reported to be unhappy with the kind of deal Spurs are offering to sign an extension to his current contract. Spurs are so far sticking to their guns and keeping a limit on the salaries they pay, and former White Hart Lane hero Alan Mullery is backing that policy.
''There is no question that Anderton is an outstanding young footballer,'' he said, ''but to be injured for as long as he has, and then be offered a reported £24,000 a week, is a vast sum of money for someone who hasn't played since August. I am in sympathy with Tottenham all the way through. I agree with them 100%. ''Iversen is a very good young player but Tottenham have got to say: 'No, we are not going to pay this sort of money,' and I am in full agreement with them. If someone like David Ginola is one of the top earners at Tottenham then certain other players shouldn't expect to earn more than him when they are not in the same class. Obviously there is a risk of losing players but clubs have to make that choice and Spurs are standing up and doing that.''
Mullery believes that more and more players will follow the lead of the likes of Anderton and Iversen and hold out for more money. That is because of the precedent he feels has been set by Roy Keane at Manchester United, who recently signed a contract worth a reputed £50,000 a week.''A precedent has been set by the Roy Keane situation,'' said Mullery. ''Other players will look at their salaries and say 'hold on, he is earning £30,000 a week more than me. This will always be a problem because once somebody sets a precedent in the way Roy Keane has, then this is just the start. Agents will see the limit set by Keane and naturally look for more money for their players.''Mullery also warned that the Keane contract is likely to cost United far more expense in the future. He added: ''A club like United can probably afford it, but their problems haven't gone away because their problems will come back when Beckham and Giggs have to sign new contracts because they will want the same as Keane is earning.'''
Realisations 1 and 2 : Hidden Riders of Tomorrow
Realisation 3 : The Slider
Former England manager and turnip, Graham Taylor was rather more established at Lincoln City.
Realisation 4 : My People Were Fair and Had Sky in Their Hair But Now They're Content to Wear Stars on Their Brows
...ok that's enough pointless Marc Bolan / T.Rex references ...(Bob).
Some while back (see News) I covered the deaths of the players from the World of Soccer Stars album reported in this season's Rothmans. Since then, the coverage of these pages has extended to all players from the 1970-71 season. Hence I need to add the following obituaries ...
John Dickson (Cowdenbeath) (b. 1949; d.12.1.1998) Cowdenbeath and Scotland's leading goalscorer in 1969-70 with League 31 goals, and Beath's leading goalscorer in the famed 1970-71 season. Moved to St.Mirren in 1972, also played for Ayr United, Elgin City (as player-coach) and East Fife.
Matt Gilles (Nottingham Forest manager) (b Loganlea,12.8.1921, d.12.1998) Matt was manager of Nottingham Forest during the 1970-71 season - a piece of information that unfortunately passed me by. Played for Motherwell, Bolton Wanderers, Leicester City. As manager for Leicester City1958-1968 he led the team to the F.A.Cup Final in 1961, 1963 and 1965, and victory in the League Cup in 1964.Matt was the Forest manager from 1969-1972.
William Houliston (Queen of the South staff) (b.Dumfries 4.4.1921,d.10.2.1999) Chairman of Queen of the South from 1962 to 1994. William was capped for Scotland 3 times as a player for Queen of the South - which remains their record to date. Also a player for Berwick Rangers and Third Lanark.
Brian Lewis (Oxford United) (b.Woking, 26.1.1946, d.14.12.1998) During the 1970-71 season Brian moved for £5,000 from Oxford United to Colchester United as was to be one of the Colchester team that famously beat the Mighty Leeds United team 3-2 in the Fifth round of the F.A. Cup in 1971.Played for Crystal Palace, Portsmouth, Coventry City, Luton Town (top scorer in the 1968-69 season with 22 goals), Oxford United, Colchester United, Portsmouth, and Hastings (non-League).
Bobby McEwan (Worcester City) (b.Worcester, 28.3.1942, d.15.12.1998) A new departure for these pages as Bobby was a top non-League player, the first Bob's 1970-71 pages has covered. Bobby played a record 596 first team appearances for Worcester City from 1958 to 1975. Also played for Bromsgrove Rovers.
George Male (Arsenal staff) (b. West Ham, 8.5.1910, d. 19.2.1998) On the coaching staff and a scout for Arsenal from retiring from his playing career to 1975, George served Arsenal for 45 years.George won 4 Championships and an F.A.Cup winners medal with Arsenal during the 1930s, as well as 19 England caps. George's F.A.Cup debut was the in the 1932 Final when Arsenal lost to Newcastle United. George also played 8 games in Arsenal's Championship in 1948
Syd Owen (Leeds United staff) (b. Small Heath, 29.2.22, d. 1.99) Leeds United's coach from 1960 to the mid Seventies, throughout Don Revie's Glory team years.Played for Birmingham City and Luton Town, as well as for England 3 times. At Luton Town in 1959, Syd led the team reach the F.A.Cup final, which earned him the Footballer of the Year honour. syd briefly managed Luton before the Leeds post, and afterwards was assistant manager at Birmingham City, coach at Hull City, and youth team coach at Manchester United before retiring in 1982.
Dick Sheppard (Bristol Rovers) (b. Bristol, 14.2.1945, d. 18.10.1998) Dick was at Bristol Rovers in the 1970-71 season, and in 1972 it was his penalty save that won the Watney Cup in a shoot out against Sheffield United. Another famous penalty save was against George Best and Manchester United the following season. It helped Rovers beat Man U at Old Trafford in the F.A.Cup 3rd round replay.Well done Dick ! Dick was the West Brom goalkeeper in the team that lost to Q.P.R. in the 1967 League Cup Final. Also had a loan period at Torquay United.
Click to see the Obituaries Index
13 January, 2000
Spent a lot of time getting the site bookmarks up and running (see yesterday) - which is leaving me a bit behind on news stories, so I'll try and catch up tomorrow. Here's a couple for now, though ...
News - Next Generation Update - Frank Lampard (see Sons and Daughters)
Well, the spell has finally broken. Frank junior's goal versus Aston Villa in the League Cup took his team into extra time with the score at 1-1, but it's Villa that pulled ahead to take a 3-1 victory. The match was replayed because West Ham broke the rules by playing a cup-tied player, so the defeat will have hit West Ham even harder ...See News and West Ham United FC -org The Official Web Site
News (2) : Commentators update.
Talk Radio's Bobby Gould (Wolves) was commentating on the West Ham / Villa match for Radio Five Live - now I would have said they were rivals ...
Especially since Talk Radio has announced it is to become Talk-Sport radio station. Only old work mate , James Whale (James would challenge the equality of this relationship !!!) will survive the culling of non-sports presenters. The point being that to promote the changes, England manager and Scunthorpe's own Kevin Keegan, will be getting his own phone in show. (See Talk Radio and James Whale Home Page, Talk Radio, UK)
12 January, 2000
Lots of career figures have now been added to the Newcastle United page. I found a new picture of Frank Casper from 1968, which I've added to his page. Frank was the subject of Bob's 70-7's first ever e-mail see July, 1999 Where are they now ? Finally learnt how to 'bookmark' so jumping around the site following news stories should be easier - see 6, January 2000 ... there's nothing relevant there I was just showing you what I mean !
9 January, 2000
News (1) Next Generation : Rioch Realisations
Greg Rioch scored for Macclesfield in their 1-2 home defeat to the other League newcomers, Cheltenham, in Division 3 yesterday. A bit of basic investigation shows this to indeed be Bruce's son. Bruce hadn't yet been included on Bob's 70-71 pages so he's been added to Aston Villa , Rothmans as Norwich's first team coach, and of course, Sons and Daughters. (See Silkmen Online - Dressing Room for Greg and Norwich City Football Club - The Canaries' official web site - NCFC for Bruce.)
News (2) 66% for '66 goal
Bob's 70-71 Quizlet showed that only 66% of the 50 replies believed Geoff Hurst's (West Ham) World Cup winner was really a goal !! ... As opposed to only 50% of the players playing that day. There is now a Quizlet page for old Quizlet answers.
News (3) Big Mal Completely Wrong.
Big Malcolm Allison believed if his old club got an early goal against Leeds United today they would win. They did get the early goal - but O'Leary's boys STUFFED City 5-2 ... I'm not showing journalistic bias hear am I ? Hmm lucky no-one reads the News page, I guess... See Soccernet or January 2000 - Where are they now ?
News (3) Best on Becks
'He was already a marked man after being singled out by fans up and down the country but he is in the firing line all the more now,' said Best. 'I follow United as much as possible because they mean as much to me now as in my playing days. The abuse he has suffered has been appalling. I have been to United games and cringed at some of the personal, offensive stuff that has been aimed at him from the terraces. Mostly about his wife and all of it vile. No-one should have to put up with that and I feel for him. The way he has handled it for most of this season has been a credit to him but I fear he is back to square one after what happened last night.
'It is all going to come back to haunt him. Those who are warped enough to derive some sense of satisfaction out of chanting foulmouthed abuse at him are going to have a field day. I have been through it and I always made a point of redoubling my efforts to repay them with a goal or two. If I could walk off after stuffing their team out of sight, I knew I had beaten them. That is what David must do now and, if he wants to talk it over with me, I will be there for him.
'He really has to come to terms with his fame and one way is to be mindful of what football has given him,' said Best. 'I don't just mean in monetary terms, either. The one thing I remember from my days was the buzz I got from playing for a club like Manchester United in front of capacity crowds at home and abroad. There was no feeling like it and, if only I could turn the clock back, I would do anything to solve the problems I had - or at least learn to live with them - rather than walk away when I should have been at my peak. I can still recall the empty feeling that hit me when I realised it was all over. I couldn't envisage going on without the excitement and adrenaline rush of performing on the big stage. Not just performing, but being the star attraction, just like Beckham is at the moment. 'I have met the lad and I like him. There is no bigger Red than me and I see him down at the ground quite often. We chat about all sorts of things but not his problems over discipline or being in the spotlight. Not so far, anyway.
'I don't want to start poking my nose in and preaching to the boy if it's not wanted. If he wants my advice, that's a different matter and I will give it gladly. I went through the same in my career. I allowed myself to be wound up and got myself sent off more times than I care to remember - usually for swearing at refs rather than kicking out at opponents - and I was followed everywhere by the media or headcases who wanted to make a nuisance of themselves. I have spoken to his dad, Ted, about it several times. The message has always been simple enough - there is no secret formula. It is the same as in my day. When you have a talent like his, you are blessed with the perfect answer to any amount of goading from the terraces or provocation on the pitch. I know it is easier said than done but you have to take a step back and count to 10 whenever there is a danger of losing it. I used to love going to places like Merseyside, Arsenal and Chelsea, getting non-stop stick and walking off with a smile on my face after stuffing them 4-0.David has to stick two fingers up to his detractors by turning it on against them. That is the only way to hurt them.'
Best believes Ferguson now faces as big a test of his man-management skills as when he flew to France and talked Eric Cantona out of quitting in the wake of his Kung Fu attack on a yob who had taunted him at Selhurst Park. 'The way Alex coaxed Eric into continuing at Old Trafford was a masterstroke,' he said. 'Cantona was the inspiration behind title and cup triumphs after that and it has to go down as one of Alex's great coups. Now he has his work cut out making sure Beckham's career stay on the right lines. The success of that is vital to United's continued prosperity because he is developing into a great player. He can remain at the top for at least another 10 years if he keeps his mind right and it is frightening to think what he might achieve for himself and the club. I have seen the improvement over the past couple of years. As a kid, he used to waste the ball too often but he has learned to look up and assess the options.Now you know that just about every pass and cross is going to do some damage. That is a great weapon to have in your team and I hope and pray it does not go to waste. I remember whenever I stepped out of line, Sir Matt Busby would take me to one side in his office and have a quiet word to remind me of my responsibilities and who I was playing for. No-one was bigger than the club and, though times may have changed, that should still apply. I am sure Alex will do the same with David.
'I have every sympathy for Beckham because I still get hassle now, 30 years after finishing at Old Trafford. I live in London but it doesn't make any difference. There is always some lowlife who wants to impress his pals or a girlfriend and sets out to target you. He will get mouthy or start a punch-up and it gets thoroughly unpleasant. It got so bad a while ago that I persuaded a pal, who can look after himself, to follow me round as a minder. He was always on hand if anything nasty developed. If that happens to a guy of my age who has been out of the game for decades, it must be hard to imagine what it's like for Beckham. It is a shame it has come to this and being hounded the way he and his wife are is no way to live. It is a nonsense to think that you cannot step outside your home without having some hired muscle alongside you but it may be the only way to protect him from all those nutters who want to stir up trouble.Something has to be done because he is such a nice lad when you get to know him. I would hate it if he became a villain but there is a danger he could end up being perceived that way.'
News (4) 'Falkirk' Fergie Falters
Alex Ferguson (Falkirk) had a miserable World Club Championship. Man U were panned by the U.K. press for dropping out of the F.A.Cup competition; once in Brazil, the club were accused of not being media friendly; star player David Beckham was sent off in the first game; and , indeed, so was he !!! (See Manchester United Official Web site - News - Archive Feature)
To cap it all the team lost 3-1 in the second game and have an embarrassing early exit from the competition - which unlike, say, a slip up to Division One outsiders in the F.A.Cup - the whole world got to see ... live on telly ! See Manchester United Official Web site - News - Archive Feature
6 January, 2000
Gordon West wrote, 'The Championship in my Keeping' in 1970, and in it he chooses his favourite 11 - all the players can be found on these pages so have a see at what he says about them in this first installment. (I didn't really do this to create suspense, it's just that it was too long for me to complete it in one go !!)
News (1) Next Generation (see Sons and Daughters)
(a) 2 - 2 x 3 = Frank Lampard
Bizarrely Frank junior has for the third time within a month scored one of West Ham United's two goals in a 2-2 draw. This time in happier circumstances, it was the first of a comeback from 2 -0 down away to Newcastle United. See West Ham United FC -org The Official Web Site
(b) Thatcher 'nicks' Nicky
Nicky Summerbee the Sunderland star and son of Mike (Manchester City ), is often missed from these pages because he doesn't get too many goals, but Nicky's been in the news this week as the victim of on-field football violence at the hands of Wimbledon's Ben Thatcher ... But Nicky's not bitter, see The Official Site Of Sunderland AFC
News (2) Ambassador Charlton
Good to see Bobby Charlton (Manchester United) on the front of The Times yesterday. Bobby had penned a characteristically diplomatic (i.e. wishy-washy fence-sitting) piece about Man U's involvement in the World Club Championship. Here's the complete article directly quoted.
"Hitting new heights in Brazil can make world of difference.
MANCHESTER UNITED have a reputation for seeking to broaden their horizons. That was the case in the 1950s when Sir Matt Busby saw the importance of competing in Europe. It did not go down well with the Little Englanders who thought that we should stick to domestic football, but history showed him to be right.S
Since we announced our decision to withdraw from the FA Cup to compete in the Fifa Club World Championship, which begins today, there has been a lively debate. Once again we have been told that we should have stayed at home. History will show, once again, that we were right to accept the new challenge.
I have said all along that I would have loved it if we had been able to stay in the FA Cup and play in Brazil, but it was just not possible. We explored every avenue and looked into every possibility. It was a difficult and painful decision but I believe that it was the right one. It was right for United and right for English football.
We have the chance to write a new page of history by becoming the first winners of the Club World Championship. The victory in the Intercontinental Cup in Japan last month has whetted our appetite. And I cannot believe that there is anyone in England who does not take some pride when an English team can truly say it is the best in the world - in any sport, not just football.
Winning in Brazil will not be easy, though. The hot and humid conditions will be alien to the English style of play and might prove to be a bigger obstacle than the teams we will face, although Real Madrid and Vasco da Gama will be no pushovers.
The championship is still at an experimental stage. No one knows what it is going to be like or how successful it will prove to be in the longer term. Sepp Blatter, the President of Fifa, football's world governing body, has already said that it has not been decided yet when the next championship will take place, but there is a real desire within Fifa to establish this tournament and I think it is the right thing for an English club to be there.
It is sometimes forgotten that England did not enter the early World Cups and I cannot believe that there is anyone today who would defend that decision.In the 1950s and 1960s, the opportunity to play in the European Cup and show what we could do was immensely stimulating for players such as myself, Denis Law and George Best. Now the new generation of football players, such as David Beckham, Ryan Giggs, Roy Keane and Dwight Yorke, can parade their skills on a world stage. That is why I am so sure that coming here was the right decision.
If it had not been us, then the reality is that it would have been a German club; Bayern Munich and my old pal Franz Beckenbauer, the Germany 2006 World Cup campaign president, would have been there. That would have been a spectacular own goal for England.I do not say that United being in Brazil alone will clinch the vote for England to stage the 2006 World Cup, but there is no doubt this is a tournament that Fifa sets great store by. Manchester United appearing in such a high-profile competition puts English football firmly on the world stage. It can only be helpful.
It has been a very good few months for the England bid. Campaigning has been an up-and-down process, but at the moment we are in the driving seat. The Fifa inspection visit in the autumn graded us A1. The South Africans, the Brazilians and the Moroccans still have to pass that test.Significantly, European-based Fifa voters are beginning to realise that England has more support outside Europe than Germany and is now the stronger of the two European candidates.
The go-ahead for Wembley to be rebuilt as the best football stadium in the world is excellent news for the World Cup bid and will give us a good message to pass on in Brazil. The appeal of the Wembley name around the world is immense. When I was in Tokyo for the 2002 World Cup draw, everyone was asking me what the new Wembley would look like. No one should underestimate the importance of the World Cup to football and to this country. If the World Cup does not come here in 2006, it could easily be another 20 years before we get the chance. I do not think that is acceptable for the home of football.
If Manchester United win the inaugural Club World Championship - and we have an excellent chance - no one will be more delighted than me. If this visit to Brazil helps to bring the World Cup to England in 2006, they will have delivered a great service to English football.
Sir Bobby Charlton is a director of Manchester United and ambassador to England's 2006 World Cup campaign."
Realisation : Little by Little
Having re-read the record books I see that Brian is indeed entitled to a place on Bob's 70-71 pages having earlier been ruled out by me. This is because he signed on to Aston Villa's books in March 1971 !! He now takes up residence on at Aston Villa and, of course he can be found alongside his younger bro' , Alan ,on the brothers section of the Sons and Daughters page. Brian is presently the manager of West Bromwich having taken over from the sacked Denis Smith (Stoke City) earlier this season.
Thanks to Phil Gibbs who sent the following information ...
1 January, 2000 - Happy New Millennium !!!
News - 'Thirty-Four Years Ago ... '
As English football seems ever more unlikely to emulate the heroes of '66, the Millennial New Year's Honours list includes all those players in the World Cup winning team who haven't won an honour already. Hence there's M.B.E.'s for Alan Ball, George Cohen, Roger Hunt (Bolton Wanderers), Nobby Stiles (Manchester United), and Ray Wilson (Bradford City).
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