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27 February

Next Generation News

Chelsea beat Liverpool 3-2 after extra time in this season's League Cup Final. Chelsea's Frank Lampard, son of Frank Lampard, played the whole 120 minutes of the game that Liverpool led 1-0 from the first minute with a goal by Riise, until 11 minutes from the end of 90 minutes, when Gerrard scored in his own net to equalise. Chelsea were unstoppable, Drogba and Kezman took it to 3-1 in extra time, though Liverpool did pull one back through Nunez.

This is Frank's first honour at club level.

Unfortunately, since his sending off at Newcastle United in the FA Cup 5th Round one week earlier, Carlo Cudicini, son of Fabio Cudicini (AC Milan), does not even make the bench. This is rather unjust as Carlo had been the goalkeeper in 4 of the earlier round ties.

25 February

Claudio Ranieri (A S Roma - not confirmed) has been sacked by Valencia in Spain.

Next Generation News

Matt Kember, son of Steve Kember (Crystal Palace), has left Bromley having been their captain earlier in the season. Not presently listed with a club.His brother Paul broke his ankle in January and no longer has a profile listed on the webpage, though there is no news of him having left.

Jon Gould, son of Bobby Gould (Wolverhampton Wanderers), leaves Preston North End for Bristol City.

24 February

Brian Talbot (Ipswich Town) leaves Oldham Athletic. The coach, Tony Philliskirk will take over. Brian has been at he club a year, and helped save the club from relegation. Oldham finished 15th last season, but are now just two points above the relegation zone in League One. Oldham did have a good FA Cup run this season beating Manchester City 1-0 in the fourth round, before losing to Bolton Wanderers in the fifth round.

22 February

Next Generation News

Millwall's David Livermore - son of Doug Livermore (Liverpool)- is sent off in the Championship match away to Cardiff City. He was sent off in injury time, as was team mate Alan Dunne, and Cardiff City player James Collins. Millwall won 1-0. This is David's 4th career dismissal, the last time being in a 2-0 home win on 18 October, 2003 v Sheffield United in the Championship. So far he has been sent off once in four of his six seasons in football.

20 February

Next Generation News

Chelsea are beaten in the 5th round of the FA Cup 1-0 away to Newcastle United, thanks to a 4th minute goal by Kluivert. Chelsea had been pushing for England's first ever four trophy haul (Premiership, FA Cup, League Cup, Champions League). In the 90th minute Carlo Cudicini, son of Fabio Cudicini (AC Milan), is sent off for the second time in his English career. The last time also being in the FA Cup in a 1-0 victory at home v Middlebrough in a third round tie on 4 January 2003. This occasion may be more costly for Carlo, as presently his only games this season have been in Cup matches - 4 League Cup, 3 FA Cup and 1 Champions League.

Frank Lampard, son of Frank Lampard was also in the defeated Chelsea team having come on at half time.

18 February

Next Generation News

Youri Djorkaeff , son of Jean Djorkaeff (Paris Saint Germain), has announced that he is to playMajor League Soccer in the United States for a season with the MetroStars. reports ...

Djorkaeff had been looking for a club after leaving English side Blackburn Rovers FC in December. The 36-year-old will follow the path taken by another FIFA World Cup winner, current Hungary coach and former German international, Lothar Matthäus, who also ended his career in New York with the MetroStars.

The player, who earned the nickname 'The Snake' during an illustrious European career, had been sidelined for two months at Blackburn because of injuries, but is expected to be ready to compete when the 2005 MLS season begins on 1 April.

The Lyon-born player was a UEFA Cup Winners' Cup winner with Paris Saint-Germain FC in 1995/96 and a UEFA Cup winner with FC Internazionale Milano in 1997/98. His best moments, however, came with victories at the 1998 World Cup and UEFA EURO 2000 with France, for whom he scored 28 goals in 82 games.

Also see MetroStars - Roster - Player Bio

10 February

Viv Busby (Luton Town) has left as Caretaker manager of the National Conference League side, York City. Viv had been a former player-coach at the club between 1982-1987 and had been in post since November last year.

He is replaced by as caretaker manager by Billy McEwan.

Bob's 70-71 Pages would like to welcome Billy to the site for the first time as I see that he was a Hibernian player in the 70-71 season.

Billy is probably best known for his nine year spell on the coaching team at Derby County. He was caretaker manager there twice in April to June 1995 and in January 2002, after the sackings of Roy McFarland and Colin Todd respectively. Billy had also been manager of Sheffield United 1986-1988, Rotherham United1988-1991, and Darlington 1992-93.

As a player, Billy moved from Hibernian to Blackpool in May 1973, and went on to play for Brighton and Hove Albion, Chesterfield, Mansfield Town, Peterborough United, and finally Rotherham United, whom he left in the 1983-83 season.

Billy made back page headlines in 2003 when he was sacked by the manager John Gregory, but was restored into post when he was found to be unfairly dismissed. Altogether he was on the coaching staff under 5 managers. Billy was still on the coaching staff books with Derby County at the beginning of this season but left on 19 October 2004

9 February

Next Generation News

England play out a 0-0 draw at home to the Netherlands at Villa Park, in an uninspiring friendly. The England team had two next generation players involved.Frank Lampard, son of Frank Lampard won his 30th cap in which he has scored 8 goals- he played just the first 45 minutes. Michael Owen, son of Terry Owen (Bradford City), played the full match. Michael has scored 27 goals in 67 matches for England.

Sweden draw 1-1 with France in the Stade de France in a friendly. Tobias Linderoth -son of Anders Linderoth (Helsingborgs IF) wins his 46th cap, after missing two frindly internationals in January v South Korea and Mexico. He played the first 75 minutes, and did not add to his 2 international goals.

7 February

For no particular reason other than I found a picture, David Pleat now has his own page.

5 February

Thanks once again to Phil Moody, John Kaye now has his own page. John is a West Brom player on Bob's 70-71 Pages, but Phil's interest is that he began his League career at Scunthorpe United.

January 2005

31 January

Ronnie Moore (Tranmere Rovers) has left Rotherham United after seven and a half years in charge. Rotherham have been bottom of the Championship all this season, and look unlikely to avoid relegation. Alan Knill, the reserve and youth-team coach, has been appointed caretaker boss until the end of the season

30 January

Brian Talbot (Ipswich Town) has an unlikely involvement in the Iraqi elections. The following story is from BBC SPORT Talbot hurt during Iraqi clashes:

Oldham manager Brian Talbot has been hurt after being caught up in a clash outside a polling station set up in Manchester for the Iraq election.

Talbot was driving to Boundary Park for Sunday's FA Cup tie against Bolton when he became embroiled in a skirmish between rival groups of Iraqis.

He was attacked after accidentally hitting an Iraqi with his car.

A mob surrounded his vehicle, smashing its windows and leaving him with a neck injury and cuts and bruises.

The fighting had broken out between voters and about 200 Arab Iraqis protesting against the election.

An Oldham spokesman told BBC Greater Manchester Radio: "Brian was very shaken up and his car was in a right state. But he has made it to the game and he just wants to get on with the match now. "

26 January

Thanks to Phil Moody, a detailed profile of Nigel Cassidy is now available, and John Barker now has his own page. John sadly died on 14 December, 2004.

Marsh Sacked reports:

Football pundit Rodney Marsh has been fired by Sky Sports for making a joke on air about the tsunami disaster.

The ex-Manchester City striker, 60, joked David Beckham had turned down a move to Newcastle United because of trouble with the "Toon Army in Asia".

A Sky Sports spokesman said: "These remarks should never have been made and Sky would like to offer its apologies to those who were offended."

Marsh said: "I am hugely disappointed in myself for letting them down."

"Toon Army" is a term used by Newcastle's fans to describe themselves.

Marsh made the comments during a live phone-in programme, You're on Sky Sports, on Monday.

A spokesman for the channel described the joke as "offensive and inexcusable".

"An apology was made within the programme and Rodney's comments were edited and removed from later transmissions," he said.

Marsh, who also played for Fulham and is known for his outspoken views on football, insisted he did not intend to offend viewers.

"I apologise unreservedly for any offence I caused by my thoughtless and inappropriate comment I made last night," he said.

"My intention was to make a light-hearted football joke."

Emails to the site the above appears on comment that Marsh should not have said what he did, but sacking seemed over-harsh. Things said on a live broadcast when the pressure is on to perform do, in my opinion, account for saying such a stupid thing, but Sky let themselves down by being so disloyal to their employee of many years.

24 January

Dino Zoff is the new Fiorentina coach succeeding sacked caretaker coach, Sergio Buso. Dino has singed an 18-month agreement after talks with Fiorentina owner Diego Della Valle. Fiorentina are 15th in Serie A and have lost 3 of their last 4 games. This is Dino's first football post since being sacked by Lazio in September 2001

23 January

Thanks very much to Robert Endeacott and Graeme Garvey for letting me know about the latest book from Relish books. Apologies to them for my delay in putting this up, but I've seen Fanthology in many shops around Leeds and it is definitely a book that can be favourably judged by its cover...



(Click to purchase)

FANTHOLOGY Edited By Robert Endeacott & Graeme Garvey

Whatever you say about Leeds United FC, it’s very unlikely the words ‘boring’ and ‘mundane’ would be used.  The life & times of this famous club, the fortunes & misfortunes and the trials & tribulations are unparalleled in world football. 

Here, Leeds fans all over the world tell of their emotions, their tears of joy & their tears of misery in good, bad and downright ugly times with the world famous Whites.  And fans of all ages reveal ‘WHY’ they’re Leeds fans, what it is that makes them so loyal and give their reasons for nearly losing all sense of reason watching Leeds play the beautiful game.

13 January

Dave Bassett (Walton and Hersham) joins the coaching staff at Millwall till the end of the season.

12 January

Andy Jordan - son of Joe Jordan (Morton)- has left Hartlepool after playing just 6 games in a year and a half. Albatross has written this lively report, which can be found at Andy Jordan Released by Pools - Unofficial Hartlepool News and Views:

Goodbye, goodbye, you're leaving us - goodbye.... Hartlepool United have announced today that Andy Jordan is leaving the club by mutual consent. It's not been a particularly successful partnership, and it's no surprise at all that "Joe's Son" has left Victoria Park for good.

The main surprise in the news about Jordan is that it's taken so long to finally happen - it's possible that negotiations had been continuing in the background about the payoff, or maybe Jordan has found another club and so is prepared to leave.

The son of Scottish legend Joe, Jordan started his career with Bristol City before moving onto an unfortunate spell with Cardiff; injury, own goals, and a continuing dislike by Cardiff fans for his Dad meant that he never became established with the Bluebirds and was released after playing just six times in three years. He became one of Cooper's earliest signings for Pools, and has not exactly proved to be one of his best despite making a reasonable start.

He made his debut in the opening day win over Peterborough, and looked set to be a regular after playing in the first four games - but was dropped late in August, and made his last appearance for the first team in the victory over Stockport in September. More than a year has passed since, and Jordan has failed to make any impact at all on the first team squad and has frequently not played for the reserves either.

Jordan had a trial with Macclesfield towards the end of last season that lead to nothing, but signs of a comeback for Pools were few and far between. Having filled in a little on the left, the central defender saw himself behind Brackstone, Robson and then Robertson for that position, and Cooper seemed to prefer Scott Walker, Darren Craddock and even Mark Tinkler in preference to the big Scot. Rumours of a falling out were in the air, although today's statement is as diplomatic as anything you're likely to see - Jordan thanks everyone at the club and there's no indication of a clash of personalities.

The simple answer to why Jordan has gone seems to be that we simply had better options than him, both in the side and in the youth team. As soon as Nelson and Westwood got their partnership going Jordan wasn't going to get a look-in; and it's tempting to say that he was essentially a "panic signing" by Cooper, who needed to flesh his squad out pretty quickly when he took over. With the benefit of hindsight he may have not persued his interest - but then a lot of things are easy to say after the event. Jordan has agreed to go now, presumably saving the club at least part of the money they would otherwise have paid him; he now has the rest of the season to find another club before the Summer merry-go-round, and Cooper may have another slot in his squad that he can now look to fill. Without wanting to put Andy Jordan down in any way (he's a lot bigger than me!) this doesn't make much difference to the strength of the squad - having rarely even made the bench, it would be hard to describe him as even a fringe player at the club. He's made less than 30 first team appearances throughout his career, and will no doubt be wanting to get some first team football and make his name elsewhere. Will we see Jordan: The Comeback?

10 January

Next Generation News

Gary Megson has become the new manager of Championship side, Nottingham Forest. Forest are in the relegation zone at present, and Gary is taking over forom Mick Harford, who was caretaker manager following the departure of in Decemeber of Joe Kinnear. Gary was sacked at the start of the season by Premiership side, West Bromwich Albion.

8 January

Finally... Yes, after much delay the Thirty Years Ago feature is finally brought bang up to date with the addition of September 1974, October 1974, November 1974, December 1974, January 1975 and February 1975

Next Generation News

1) Jamie Redknapp scored his first goal for his new club Southampton, who managed by his father, Harry Redknapp. It came in his second appearance for Southampton, and was the final goal in a 3-1 away victory against Northampton, in the third round of the FA Cup. A couple of minutes later, Harry substituted his son.

2) On the subject of goals, this day saw a rare or possibly unique event happen. Windsor and Eton drew 3-3 at Heybridge Swifts at home in the Ryman League Premier League. Windsor's goals came from Paul Holsgrove (8 minutes), Peter Holsgrove (14 minutes), and Lee Holsgrove(66 minutes). All three are brothers, and well known to Bob's 70-71 Pages as the sons of John Holsgrove (Wolverhampton Wanderers).

Though all three brothers played a number of times together at Hayes, this was the first time all three had scored in the same game. It also marked Lee's League debut for Windsor and Eton, as he had only re-joined up with his brothers on 2 January. The brothers all left Hayes in the Summer break, and Lee was the last of them to sign for Windsor and Eton.

Thank you to Trevor Bugg of the Association of Football Statisticians at for being the first to point this out to me. He is curious to know if the even has ever happened in a senior game before. I certainly don't think so, if you know different, please email me.

7 January

Good to hear Sir Geoff Hurst on Talk Sport Radio at the opening of the new Wembley stadium tours. Sir Geoff said he was amazed at the new stadium. (Also see BBC SPORT Football Hurst delighted by new Wembley)

Sir Geoff, as an old hand at answering ball-over-the-line questions also said that yes the 'goal' at Man U versus Spurs earlier in the week definitely crossed the line. However, I have Billy Green to thank for sending me this picture that may prove that in fact, it was not !

Spurs 0 Man U 0

Carroll did not cheat and get away with it. Honest.

Email: Subject When is not a goal a goal ?


After the Tottenham "goal " the other day I was asking friends to recall the Chelsea goal that was given, that never was in I think 1971 against Ipswich at Stamford Bridge, when if I am right a
Alan Hudson shot had hit the side netting. Do you recall the circumstances?
The Roy Carroll decision is the worst one I have heard of since that. I am Man U fan, so I wasn't there.

Andrew Kershaw

Well done for spotting that one Andrew, I didn't know about it until now - though I found out more about it on this very site. See Thirty Years Ago: 26 September 1970, which says...

Hudson's winning goal for Chelsea against Ipswich T. at Stamford Bridge brought outraged cries of protest from the Ipswich players, and their manager Bobby Robson, who joined them on the field in group round the referee. . . they said the ball hit the stanchion outside the net. . . Referee Roy Capey and his linesmen said it hit inside the net. . .

6 January

Email: Subject Hull City Hero

I was an avid Hull City supporter in the "Swinging 60's". I was privileged to see that great line up of Henderson and Butler on the right and left wings, Chilton at centre-forward, Ken Houghton inside-left (all Hull City). But, at inside right there was the most talented player I ever saw at that time, with the very grudging exception of Georgie Best. Oh, and I mustn't forget the ex-Arsenal winger turned goalie, the barrel-chested, fruit-laden and spit and mud handed Iain McKechnie (Hull City). But above all I remember "Waggy".

Ken Wagstaff was simply the best player who never wore an England shirt. He had more skill in his little finger than most clubs had in their whole teams. Just ask the England goalie (someone called Gordon Banks) who Waggy famously nut-megged in a home game against Stoke City. Then there was that famous goal, captured I think on Anglia TV. Waggy juggled the ball face to face to with a mesmerised defender before laying it off, then running through onto the return pass he drilled the ball majestically low into the net.

 He had also had a wicked sense of humour. I seem to remember Waggy coming out to play on a very cold and frosty winter's day looking as though he was smoking. I can hear the murmur going round the stands now. Then he took the ciggy from his mouth and popped it up his nose? Turns out it was a Vicks inhaler, but it fooled a lot of people.

 On a personal level I remember going to Waggy's house with my mates to get his autograph, and thanks to much persuasion by Mrs Wagstaff (who also gave us chocolate biscuits) we got it. Once when the two Kens turned up to present the prizes at a local lads football tournament in Hull, Waggy joined in with us in a kick-about, and my mate Ian nut-megged him. I can't repeat what Waggy called him!

Waggy was a true giant of the game, great skill, great sportsmanship, and above all really loved by his adoring fans. Now I'm in late middle age, and having had a reasonable sporting life, I look back at Waggy as a true sporting role model. One who many in the modern game would do well to emulate.

Ken, in the immortal words of Bob Hope "thanks for the memories". All the very best to you where ever you are.

 Adoring fan,

Robin Richards.

5 January

Next Generation News

Jamie Redknapp debuts for his new club Southampton, who managed by his father, Harry Redknapp. It was a 3-3 home draw in the Premiership versus Fulham, and he played the whole 90 minutes.

Youri Djorkaeff, son of Jean Djorkaeff (Paris Saint Germain), has left Blackburn Rovers

4 January

Next Generation News

You'll forgive me for not actually buying it, but I see that today's copy of 'Hello' magazine features Michael Owen with his partner and child on the cover. See Hello

Jamie Redknapp has moved from Spurs to Southampton , where he'll be joining up with his father Harry Redknapp. It is a free transfer, and Jamie has a six month contract.

3 January

I've been busy working away in the background at Bob 70-71 Towers trying to get this year's Sky Sports page up to date. It is slow hard work, but nipping about the official websites is turning up lots of new information.

Not least Sam Allardyce, is finally added to the site, as the official Bolton Wanderers website confirms he was a youth player, who joined the club in 1969 as a 15 year old, and signed professional forms in 1973. With Sam naturally we welcome his son, Craig Allardyce. For two months in 1986 both were on Preston North End's books as players, but I do not believe they ever played in the same team. See Sam at Bolton Wanderers and Craig at Sons and Daughters.

Brighton and Hove Albion's single is released today. The following appears at

Seagulls ska single


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Seven years since the Goldstone Ground was destroyed by uncaring moneymen, seven years of fans' campaigns - and still Brighton & Hove Albion FC doesn't have a proper home and is in severe financial difficulties. So here's another chapter in the story of the Albion supporters' battle to save our club.....

A few weeks ago we had the idea of reclaiming the Piranhas' national football ska hit 'Tom Hark' for Brighton with new lyrics in support of our stadium , with the dual aim of raising money for the Albion's Alive & Kicking Fund and trying to take the Falmer For All Campaign into the Top 20 in the month before the Public Enquiry restarts! The Piranhas were Brighton through and through, in the forefront of the local punk scene in the late Seventies and early Eighties. Many of us have very fond memories of their gigs at legendary Brighton venues like the Vault and the Alhambra and it has always seemed quite ironic to me to hear their song blasting out from other clubs' PA systems and chanted by opposing fans.

So as part of the campaign for our new stadium, 'Seagulls Ska' proudly present our new version of 'Tom Hark' along with a seriously ska version of our beloved anthem 'Sussex By The Sea' - and the alternative 1990 Cup Final song for our rivals Crystal Palace! Of course, you'll hear 'Tom Hark' at the next few Albion home games....

This record is dedicated to all the fans who have battled so long , so hard and with such creativity and imagination to keep our club alive: to the Piranhas, especially Bob Grover, who inspired it and who has given us his blessing: to Dick Knight and the Albion board, who pulled us back from the brink: and of course to the Albion players, whose dedication, commitment and self-belief against unbelievable odds have given a club with no ground and no money three promotions in four years. And to Skint for backing us. Thanks.

Attila the Stockbroker/John Baine
Poet in Residence and PA Announcer at the Albio

2 January

Where are they now ?

Mick McNeil (Ipswich Town) added, see Winter 2004

Also added a number of players from West Bromwich Albion, thanks to Simon Wright's email, see Winter 2004.

Hard though it is for me to believe the email from Simon has led to Don Howe being added to Bob's 70-71 Pages for the first time at Arsenal

Next Generation News

Lee Holsgrove, son of John Holsgrove, has once again joined his two brothers, Peter and Paul, at the same club. Windsor and Eton in the Ryman Premier League have now signed Lee, who had been out of contract so far this season, whilst Peter and Paul joined at the start of the season. Last season all three brothers were at Hayes.

NB Lee made his debut for Windsor and Eton the next day at home in the Bryco (Ryman League) Cup v Staines, which the team lost 1-0.

See 8 January 2005

1 January

Listening to Radio Aire coverage whilst watching the match in the ground, I enjoyed the expert summarising by Eddie Gray, which is the first time his name has appeared on the Commentators page.

December 2004

31 December

Email: Subject: My First match


I'm trying to pinpoint my first ever game. I don't have a programme.  

What I know/can remember:-  

1)    It was a United v City derby game at Old Trafford in the late 1960's or early 1970's.  

2)    City won, I think it was 3-1.  

3)    I'm sure it was a night match (midweek)  

I have found 2 possible fixtures at Old Trafford in 1968 and 1972. Jimmy Rimmer was in the net for United. This is the clue that I hope will narrow it down to one of these games but which one ?? I was 5 years old in 1968. If it had been the 1972 game I'm sure I would have remembered it more clearly.  

Hope you can help.  

Many Thanks  


P.S. Great site !! (Thanks - Bob.)

OK well there was a game in the 70-71 season itself in which Rimmer was in goal, and City won at Old Trafford in the League 4-1. However, it was on 12 December, 1970, which was a Saturday. It is quite dark in December could that be why you thought it was a night match ?

In 1968, it was 3-1 but Stepney was in goal.But how about 1972, this matches the 3-1 score (I didn’t know Man U kept losing this heavily at home to City) and the goalkeeper was Connaughton, ie not Stepney, which may be why you believed it was Rimmer. And I agree, you are much more likely to remember a game from 1972 in some detail than any younger.

(This follow up email arrived a couple of days later.)


Thanks.I think you could be right about the 1970 game. What convinced about it being a night match was that the floodlights were on as we walked up the wooden steps and into the stand and this sight is what made me fall hopelessly in love with football ! The wet grass lit up so much that it dazzled me forever, the smell of fag smoke and the glowing shirts (City wore their sky blue). Obviously the lights WOULD have been on at 3.00pm in December, especially in gloomy, grey skies over Manchester.  

I also favour the 1970 date as I recall my Dad saying, reading from the illusive programme, "Rimmer's in goal". Another pointer is that I have always felt sure it was the same year as the 1970 World Cup.

What's more. I know I got my Subbuteo (Club edition) for Christmas 1970 and would be obsessed by the picture on the lid which showed a goalmouth scramble under FLOODLIGHTS. (Incidentally, our family budget didn't run to me having the Continental Floodlighting edition which I would have drooled over, I used to use tilted table lamps !)  

So by removing the red herring of "night match" it all fits !  

Thanks for helping.  

By the way, do you recall the Daily Express 5 a side competition that Sportsnight used to show each year ? ("Sportsnight with Coleman" to be precise). The players wore normal "man in the street" trainers, possibly even tennis shoes, in much the same way that you see photos of players in Topical Times Annuals wearing "washed-a-1000 times" shirts that todays pampered stars would allow their boots to be cleaned with.  

They actually fielded some 1st teamers for the 5 a side comp(imagine Wenger/Fergie allowing that now ?). Although some second stringers did feature, the "legendary" Carlo Sartori for one.  

Thanks again  



27 December

Next Generation News

FQ magazine today has Louise - daughter-in-law to Harry Redknapp - on the front cover. It features an interview in which husband, Jamie and Louise talk about the birth of Charlie. He was born by Caesarean, and weighed 6lbs 6oz. He was named after Louise's granddad, who was a Spurs fan, and died on the day they announced the pregnancy.

26 December

Where are they now ?

Huge thanks to Han van Eijden for sending me an update on the Feijenoord 1970 team, see Winter 2004

25 December

Happy Christmas !!

Anyone guess the UK Christmas Number One in 70-71? ***Answer at the bottom of this page.

Email: Subject: Christmas Day / Boxing Day 1963

Hi Bob, just reminiscing about forty one years ago! I was very young then, of course...

I recall Christmas Day v Man U at the Turf and following day at Utd - and I seem to remember 5-1 for Burnley and then 4-1 for Utd - or am I being selective with the truth???

Would like to know if you can point me to a website with details, if not I will have to go and find my copy of Ray Simpson's hundred years' excellent history. It will be in there.

Best regards, thanks for your interesting website!

John Nixon.

Yes, you were right. In fact it was 6-1 to Burnley and 5-1 to Man U, how amazing ! I think Burnley would struggle to win 6-1against anyone this season, let alone Manchester United ! See THE WEBSITE OF DREAMS for some more details.

Next Generation News

At Sky Sports - The Best Sport Coverage From Around The World, Paul Dalglish can be seen interviewing his father Kenny Dalglish (Celtic)! Here's the highlights...

P: Your first season at Liverpool couldn't have gone much better, scoring the winner in the European cup final, how was that for you?

K: It could always have gone better, we could have won the league. When I scored the goal in the final, I must of been excited because I jumped the advertising boards and then looked behind and nobody else was with me!

P: You became player-manager in 1985, was that difficult for you in some ways - having to tell your mates what to do?

K: The lads responded magnificently and we won the League and cup double that season, which is more than I could have imagined.

P: Do you ever regret taking a break from the Liverpool job?

K: I regret having to make the decision, but nobody is bigger than the club so I had to make the right decision for the club. I also thought I was making the right decision for you and your sister - until I saw you two crying your eyes out about it!

24 December

Ian Bowyer (Manchester City) is appointed Danny Wilson's assistant manager at League One side, Milton Keynes Dons. Ian had left Nottingham Forest in November.

23 December

Email: Subject:

Hi, could you please tell me if Gordon Banks ever played for any other club. There is a dispute going on at the local R.S.A. club here. Would much appreciate any information,

Thanks a lot, Yvonne Lawrence.

Yes, Gordon played for Chesterfield, Leicester City and Stoke City, as well as England and Fort Lauderdale Strikers in the North American Soccer League. I have added new information about Gordon's games on the Gordon Banks page.

22 December

Jim Smith (Boston United) rejoins Harry Redknapp as his assistant manager at Southampton.

Email: Subject: Joe Jordan (Morton)


I watched Joe Jordan when he played for Greencok Morton when I was working in Scotland many year ago. Is the present coach of Portsmouth the same Joe Jordan ?

Many thanks for answering my question 

W.C. Fok

Indeed it is. Incidentally, next generation star, Kevin Bond - son of John Bond (Bournemouth manager) is also on the coaching staff.

19 December

Next Generation News

I went to see Leeds United v Millwall and saw David Livermore play. I found out for the first time that David is indeed the son of Doug Livermore (Liverpool).

This is David's first appearance on the site, and he will now appear on the Sons and Daughters and Current Next Generation pages.

Incidentally, I happed to watch Ryman Premiership side, Matlock Town this season, and found out their captain is James Lukic, nephew of Leeds United and Arsenal goalkeeper, John Lukic. John was not a 70-71 season player so he is not otherwise featured on the site.

16 December

Joe Kinnear resigns at Nottingham Forest after ten months. Forest are in the relegation zone of the Championship

14 December

John Barker sadly dies

12 December

Email: Subject: Willie Morgan

Hope you can help.  When was Willy's first game for United ? I think it was a midweek game but I could be wrong.  This was my wife's first game and I want to try and get a programme from it.


Barrie Monks.

Well Willie made his debut for Man U v Spurs 28/8/1968, which was indeed midweek, a Wednesday. It was a 3-1 home victory for Man U.

11 December

Next Generation News:

Darren Currie, nephew of Tony Currie, makes his debut for Ipswich Town, having signed for the Championship side yesterday. Currie even scored Ipswich's 3rd goal in a 4-2 away League victory against his Uncle's old club, QPR.. When Darren came on as substitute in the 55th minute the side were 2-1 down. Darren's goal came in the 72nd minute and made it 3-2.

Darren moved from Brighton and Hove Albion for a fee of 250,000 pounds having arrived there on a free in August from Wycombe Wanderers. at Brighton he had played 22 League games scoring twice, and also played one League cup match.

8 December

Harry Redknapp named as manager of Southampton two weeks after having left Premiership rivals, Portsmouth.

Manchester City's reserve team manager, Asa Hartford (West Bromwich Albion) is praised by manager Kevin Keegan for his side currently being top of the Reserve team's league. (See Keegan hails Asa impact)

7 December

Stan Ternent (Carlisle United) becomes the new manager of Gillingham in League One. The club are in the relegation zone. Stan left Burnley in May.

3 December

John Gorman (Celtic), who was acting as caretaker manager at Gillingham, has now returned to the League Two side, Wycombe Wanderers, a club he left in November last year after Tony Adams became manager. He gets the job now that Tony Adams has left.

2 December

Walter Smith (Dundee United) becomes manager of Scotland following the departure of Berti Vogts (Star Players of Mexico 1970) last month. Walter's last post was a three month spell coaching at Manchester United until May 2004. See Where are they now? Winter 2004 for a brief profile.

1 December


This one dates right back to July, but I have finally got around to adding it to the site...

Subject Father and two sons

Ray Mabbutt (Newport County) - Bristol Rovers in 50's & 60's, Newport in '70's
Gary Mabbutt = Bristol Rovers 79-82 Tottenham Hotspur 82 onwards,
Kevin Mabbutt - Bristol City '70's and 80's


Martin Read

I wrote back '5-6 years I've being doing this and you're the first to bring that one to my attention thanks !' and got this amazing reply !

Subject: More fathers and sons etc

Hi Bob,  

Well if you want a few more Bristol Rovers ones you appear to be missing here they are:  

Father: Don Megson (Bristol Rovers) (Sheffield Wednesday 1952-69, Bristol Rovers 1969-71, Manager 1972-77)
Son: Gary Megson (Plymouth Argyle, Everton, Sheffield Wednesday, Newcastle, Man C, Norwich)  

Father: John Petts (Arsenal, Reading & Bristol Rovers mid-fifties to 1970)
Son: Paul Petts (Bristol Rovers & Shrewsbury Town - '80's)  

Father: Paul Hendrie (Birmingham, Bristol Rovers, Halifax)
Son: Lee Hendrie (Aston Villa)  

Father: Tony Ford (Bristol Rovers) (Bristol City & Bristol Rovers 60's & 70's)
Son: Mike Ford (Cardiff City & Oxford United)
Next Generation

Father: Geoff Twentyman Senior (Liverpool) (Carlisle & Liverpool)
Son: Geoff Twentyman Junior (Preston & Bristol Rovers) (80's & 90's) Now BBC Bristol Sports Presenter.  

Father: Phil Bater (Bristol Rovers, Wrexham, Brentford, Cardiff)
Son: Geraint Bater (Bristol Rovers, Clevedon Town)  

Father: John Hamilton (Bristol Rovers 1929-1931)
Son: Ian "Chico" Hamilton
(Aston Villa)(Bristol Rovers 1958-68)  

Father: Peter Higgins (Bristol Rovers) (Bristol Rovers 68-73, Doncaster Rovers 73-76)
Son: Matthew Higgins (Birmingham City & Almondsbury)
( I cannot verify this, so I've not added Matthew to the site just yet - Bob)

Ashley Griffiths (Bristol Rovers 1979-81) was the son of an Aston Villa and Newport player but I don't recall his dad's name!
(Another I cannot verify just yet - Bob) 

The next one is a bit complicated!
Brothers Roy and Norman Moore both played for Grimsby as did Roy's three sons Kevin, Dave and Andy. Kevin Moore was at Southampton when he was twice loaned out to Bristol Rovers.
(Yet, at this moment I surprisingly cannot place any of them in the 70-71 season - Bob) 

Brothers Lee and James Zabek were on Rovers books at the same time. Only Lee played in the first team (also Exeter City). James went to Clevedon Town.  

Brothers Mark Hughes (Bristol Rovers, Swansea, Bristol City and Tranmere Rovers) & Wayne Hughes (Cardiff City) both played in the '80s whilst their cousin Emlyn Hughes (Liverpool) was still turning out for Liverpool and Wolves.  

Brothers Malcolm and Dave John were on Bristol Rovers books in the early '70's again only one of them (Malcolm) actually played for Bristol Rovers first team.
(Malcolm John probably does qualify playing for Swansea City Amateurs, but I cannot confirm this yet - Bob) 

A couple of oldies I'm not sure you are interested in (Oh yes- Bob): -   Father John Muir (1930-33) & Son Ian Muir (1953-57) both turned out for Rovers amongst others.

Whilst brothers Frank & Jack Townrow played for Rovers in the 1930s!  

Also didn't see Gavin and Gordon Strachan listed ?
(I believe it does get a mention elsewhere on the site, but, again, is not regularly followed up as Gordon was not involved in the 70-71 season -Bob) 


Martin Read

This simple email took me about 5 hours to convert for use on the site ! Now you may understand why it's been in my to do box for 5 months...

As a result of Martin's epic emails, the following players have been added to the site for the first time. Ray Mabbutt (Newport County), and Gary and Kevin Mabbutt (Sons and Daughters); Tony Ford (Bristol Rovers) and Mike Ford (Sons and Daughters); Geoff Twentyman Junior (Sons and Daughters); John Hamilton (Sons and Daughters: Fathers) and Ian "Chico" Hamilton (Aston Villa); Peter Higgins (Bristol Rovers); and Mark Hughes and Wayne Hughes (Sons and Daughters: Cousins).

To round things off, I added the rest of the Bristol Rovers players from the 1970-71 season, as featured in the Rothmans Football Yearbook for the season.

And whilst I was on the Newport County page, I added FA Cup goalscoring hero, Ronnie Radford's name also.

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*** The answer to the question, 'Who was the UK Christmas Number One in the 1970-71 season?' ... Dave Edmonds 'I hear you knocking'. Surprisingly tasteful, I would say !

Bob Dunning
10 January 2007

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